Books, Law School during Covid-19 and just being Kick Butt - Using Law to Create Lasting Change - Interview with Caitlyn Vanover

May 14, 2020 00:24:32
Books, Law School during Covid-19 and just being Kick Butt - Using Law to Create Lasting Change - Interview with Caitlyn Vanover
Dogs Are Smarter Than People: Writing Life, Marriage and Motivation
Books, Law School during Covid-19 and just being Kick Butt - Using Law to Create Lasting Change - Interview with Caitlyn Vanover

Hosted By

Carrie Jones Shaun Farrar

Show Notes

Hey! Welcome to a bonus interview episode of Dogs are Smarter Than People, the usually quirky podcast that gives writing tips and life tips.

I’m Carrie Jones and with me today is Caitlyn Vanover. Caitlyn is an awesome human out there making a difference in the world, She is in law school in Illinois, class of 2022, and she has an Instagram devoted to books, which is a straight shot to this writer’s heart.

She's not just a book lover. She's a first-generation law student.

It was through The WILLOW Project that I knew I was going to: help those who couldn't help themselves; be a voice for the voiceless; and "help those that have fallen through societies cracks."


Want to be inspired for good and to do good? Plus, listen to someone cool? Download the episode or just listen and give Caitlyn and The Willow Project some love.

Links Caitlyn mentions:

The Willow Project!

Her bookstagram account @life_law_literature

And her two awesome friends of Cait's with AWESOME content: @twokidsandabook and @lindsays_books


The music we’ve clipped and shortened in this podcast is awesome and is made available through the Creative Commons License. Here’s a link to that and the artist’s website. Who is this artist and what is this song?  It’s “Night Owl” by Broke For Free.


Join the 220,000 downloads with your own! Like and subscribe and be weird with us everywhere you find podcasts. 

Link to Caitlyn's interview if you can't see it above.

Last week’s episode link. 

A bonus interview with Dr. J.L. Delozier, Pennsylvania doctor and writer. 

bonus interview with poet and coach Fiona Mackintosh Cameron. 

A bonus interview with Jose De La Roca, podcaster, writer, comedian, actor, dad. Link to Jose’s interview.


I have a new book out!!!!!! It’s an adult mystery set in the town where we live, which is Bar Harbor, Maine. You can order it here. And you totally should. 

And if you click through to this link, you can read the first chapter! 

And click here to learn about the book’s inspiration and what I learned about myself when I was writing it.


My new book, IN THE WOODS, is out!


It’s with Steve Wedel. It’s scary and one of Publisher’s Weekly’s Buzz Books for Summer 2019. There’s an excerpt of it there and everything! But even cooler (for me) they’ve deemed it buzz worthy! Buzz worthy seems like an awesome thing to be deemed!



Buy limited-edition prints and learn more about my art here on my site. 


I’m still revising ANOTHER NOW, which is a big time travel story. It is killing me. 


And over on Patreon, I’m starting a new story this week! It’s a chapter a month if you want to check it out. It basically costs $1 a month to listen to my story and $3 a month to read it. There’s a new chapter every week. It’s super fun; I promise. Here’s an excerpt. 

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